ctut
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« on: November 09, 2011, 22:39:20 PM » |
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Has anyone heard anything on proposed rule changes for 2012?
Back to film mains for the Series boat?
Dyneema backstays for Series?
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El NoNo
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 00:31:16 AM » |
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it's may be time to send your request to the class, if you want to see those new features.
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El NoNo
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Nico G
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2011, 19:19:59 PM » |
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i want ropes for my runners! ;-)
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ctut
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2011, 21:09:24 PM » |
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Nico,
I think Bruno is right, a proposal for this should be put forth to CM. A few of us in North America are discussing writing a letter and if others did it would not hurt.
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Nico G
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 00:22:36 AM » |
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I tried last year when the series rules were under revision. No luck then...
If i can be of any help, let me know!
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OSC007
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2011, 04:47:36 AM » |
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I am happy to help. We can write a letter (French and English) and present it to the Mini Class.
CTut and I already discussed a few things. As long as the changes are not "expensive", then maybe they'll be accepted so upgrades on the series boats don't become a money game ("course a l'armement").
Synthetic runners.
Synthetic life lines.
But really what I'd like to see on the series is a longer bowsprit and kick-up rudders. For the rudders, it will definitely have a cost but it might be manageable and it is not a "huge" advantage over those who don't have kick up rudders.
For the bowsprit, it means new sails and I can guarantee that won't fly (board of directors and owners). It doesn't mean a longer bowsprit doesn't let you use your old sails, but it certainly means that to take advantage of it, you will have to purchase some new ones....
Ctut also suggested to go back to laminated main sails. Since the rules were changed recently, I don't see the class switching back again.
Still not 100% sure to go to France during the boat show. If I go, then we should definitely prepare some kind of letter.
Cheers
Jerome
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Nico G
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2011, 20:59:16 PM » |
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Hi guys,
i think it is a good opportunity for sailors to actually ask for what they want on board or changed. At the end of the day the yard will be forced to do whatever the class decides.
I would definitely be in favour of ropes for runners instead of cable.
I am not that sure about life lines though... will need a bit more care and a series should be simple to mantain, if not we could go for ropes in the standing rigging. Anyway this has just been introduced in protos and i guess it needs some testing before it will get into series.
A simple thing i would change is the 1x19 standard wire for Dyform wire to reduce stretch... is very simple to do, will not affect weight and the price difference is not significant.
Kick up rudders are not allowed since the 2010 or 2011 rules, series could have them before. Actually the Zero used to have kick-up rudders. When the draft was going around i wrote the class regarding this and i had no reply. i dont think they would go for it.
A longer bowsprit, i dont see it happening! But i must say that older generation boats will be needing a bit more than just a new tube and sails. without jackpoles it would be impossible to have a good control and everyone would be braking poles, so this means bigger section, heavier systems. What would be the real benefit? just more sail area for light winds, the areas are pretty big now to hold on to them with strong winds. Without having movable ballast i think that there is plenty of area to play with your sail plan as it is!
I would look into small changes, with no big impacts on the boats concept, price, fabrication. For example as i said, having better wire for the rigging is just an increase in safety and performance with no cons. The same for rope runners.
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skippy2
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 22:28:48 PM » |
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For sure dyform is the way forward and would reduce some of the dismasting that happened this race.
Rope runners would be a move forward also would be cheaper then wire once you include the swages and swaging.
I can't see them changing to laminate mainsails in series because then everyone would go for a string laminate sail increasing the cost.
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El NoNo
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2011, 00:02:26 AM » |
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Hi guys,
For rope question, julien will be there. As an expert i am sure that i could help us to see if there are any added value to ask for this kind of modifications.
For sail, I am in favour to come back on the old rules, today sailmaker can help us to justify is it is or not really a cost saven to stay with the actual rules.
I am more in favour if you can have expert that are coming to explain the added value.
For AIS, by example, the question of the antenna will be also reviewed as today, the range is not good enough with a small antenna.
Kind regards,
Bruno
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El NoNo
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skippy2
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2011, 00:32:51 AM » |
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I will back up the ais antenna I am sure had I more range I would not have lost my boat
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Bruce
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2011, 15:00:08 PM » |
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I suspect it might be too late. The proposed rule changes have already been published in French on the Classe website. Don't know if it is possible to suggest new changes now.
Having worked on other committees (not CM) I know that it can take months for a proposal to be considered, discussed and modified before being formally proposed.
I think that the time to make suggestions to the technical committee is probably in April or May, not November or December.
As I say, I'm not saying it can't be done now, just that it might be more effective to make proposals earlier.
See you in Paris!
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